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R.I.P. Fidel Castro
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06/12/2016 13:39:00
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
 
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06/12/2016 09:24:42
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>>Peaceful protest is never inappropriate. Violent protest almost always is.

Yes, but people are protesting against lawful mandate. They're undermining the constitution and provoking unrest and unhappiness trying to achieve- what exactly? Do they expect to harass/insult Trump out of office and have they never heard the consequence of non-stop "crying Wolf" since the election?

>>No, they shouldn't be able to be forced. OTOH, a hospital should be able to say that we can't hire you if you won't perform the tasks that go with the job.

So should the St Vincent's Hospital Groups be forced to perform abortions and accredit (not hire) only doctors who will perform them?

>>What about a small Muslim bakery that doesn't want to cater for a gay event, quoting passages like Hadith 38:4447 when challenged? Should they be called hateful with the state empowered to force the bigots to comply?
>Depends on what you mean by "cater for." If people come into the bakery and want to buy items the bakery sells, then the bakery should have to sell to them. When you start getting into custom items, it's a little more complicated.

That "complicated" word, I believe, proves that the devil is in the details and is the cause of much of the world's unhappiness. Unless the law covers "complicated" as well as "obvious" then the law is an ass. So to return to the topic: whether you agree with Pence's position or not, he's trying to create laws to eliminate that "complicated" grey area you have identified. He sides with the Muslim bakery. It's good lawmaking, even if you don't like the actual law.

FWIW, I trained in a profession where (contrary to lay impressions) uncertainty is part of almost every decision and action. Costs rise as barrages of tests are performed to try to limit the uncertainty, but it's still there because human beings are not sacks of wheat. You cannot insist on consistent standards of raw materials, and every sack on the conveyor belt has a voice (and sometimes a lawyer. '-) ) Many physicians look at lawmaking and envy the ease with which it ought to be possible to control uncertainty, since policy laws are not subject to the vagaries of Mother Nature and are entirely wo/man-made. And yet the law is full of anachronisms and "complications" that keep lawmakers amused, protestors rationalized and lawyers in Porsches.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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