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This sure helped Hillary, didn't it?
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19/12/2016 17:12:16
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
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>>>More argumentation and evidence is needed to prove whether the Russian hacking was directed to damage HRC, but the "hacked Republican dirt" is not the only single thing to make this determination, nor is it a condition sine qua non.
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>Sheesh. Go back to the initial accusation in October after "Guccifer 2.0" claimed responsibility for leaking material subsequently used by Wikileaks. The accusation was that the leak sites and persona used by G2 are "consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts... we believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."
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>Putin's press secretary responded "This is some sort of nonsense... every day, Putin’s site gets attacked by tens of thousands of hackers. Many of these attacks can be traced to U.S. territory. It’s not as though we accuse the White House or Langley of doing it each time it happens."
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>Fair point.
>The argument at the time was not to release evidence or even the accusation, for fear of politicizing and affecting the election. That risk is gone now.
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>The more recent accusation that the leaks were not just to interfere in the election but to harm HRC's chances, do rely on hacked Republican dirt that was not released. Why not? Because they wanted to damage HRC. This is what was released to NY Post.
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>Without withheld Republican dirt, all G2 did was show what was going on behind closed doors.
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What? I have to tell you I have doubts about the honesty of this conversation. You asked me to tell you what I think about the logic of a headline, and I wonder why you didn't provide all this dissertation (flawed as it is) to begin with.
Now, I have to admit that I don't know what you're exactly talking about, or what makes you so convinced that these accusations were false or unfounded. Here is Guccifer 2.0's web site. https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/
I see only stuff about DNC, HRC, and their intentions. Does that mean the G2 was holding or not any hacked Rep content? You (or anybody else) can't claim it one way or another. Is that what you're trying to prove? Like I said in a previous post, that claim was made based on a narrative from CIA that FBI declined to support. You claimed in a previous post that FBI made these statements and I asked you to provide a source. You didn't. There is none at this point. Only an investigation to see whether hacking, probing, targeting was overwhelmingly done in the direction of the DNC/HRC. At this point, the premise of that investigation has more merit than what I get from your argumentation here.
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Please clarify who made the older, and the more recent accusations that you're referring to.
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Here is an article that raises valid questions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-intelligence-officials-say-russian-hacks-prioritized-democrats/2016/12/12/0fbea4da-c09b-11e6-b527-949c5893595e_story.html?utm_term=.bc38a98aedec

>Finally, the most recent suggestion is that Podesta was hacked because he acted on a phishing email. We are not security experts, but surely if you respond to a phishing email you don't need a genius Russian on the other end to "hack" (download) your posts. Meanwhile Wikileaks allies are saying the leak was a Democrat inside job.

If that's true, than that would settle it without any dependence on any "hacked Rep dirt". Just one other point; I think we're all in agreement that stuff posted by WikiLeaks is real. At this point, that's the only reliable information. Any other conflation about their moral purity or whatever, is just that.
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