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24/02/2017 11:22:14
 
 
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John Ryan
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>>>I don't see myself as a detractor and based on the following excerpt (which fits in with the thing I watched) I applaud every ridicule Trump gets FOR THAT STATEMENT.
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>OK, rather than just a blanket "boo, hiss" can you identify specifically what part of the full statement is worthy of ridicule?
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>"Here's the bottom line. We've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening. We've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We've allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we're going to keep our country safe."
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>Please- what *exactly* is worthy of ridicule according to you? He hasn't even mentioned the Swedish gang rape live streamed on Facebook, fwiw.

The embolded part. Trying to pass that off as a reference to a canned show documenting state of things in Sweden he saw the night before is either a weak caught-with-hand-in-cookie-jar "explanation" of another Bowling-Green fabrication or points to a president unable to order and classify things watched recently and formulate clear sentences.

Fog of uncertainty is a measure tried for to achieve/overcome in battle situations or hard bargaining. The role of the press is to fact check, perhaps trying to analyse / interpret the mass of true facts/incidents/happenings for people not given security summaries. If it was an "honest mistake" like he says, the role of the press is to make it unpleasant enough for Trump to force him to be more attentive to what he tweets or spouts off in campaign mode speeches.
MSM might get some reputation back if they do the fact check and leave ridicule to late night and internet.

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>>>I do not want to enter an operational discussion on Trump "lying", "embellishing", "still campaigning/gathering votes" or "fitting the speech to the audience": If you allow Trump to retract wrong/stupid statements when challenged, his tactics have won, as any unchallenged statement bolstered beyond truth is accepted
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>Yes, but "doubling down" on your dislike for a comment, does not make it wrong. Why is it wrong? Are you saying that Germany is delighted with the immigration it encouraged/decreed for all of Europe (because of open borders) and experiences nothing of note? Because that's not what polls of your fellow Europeans seem to be indicating.
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>http://www.voanews.com/a/poll-shows-europeans-favor-halt-immigration-mainly-muslim-countries/3718337.html

I have written before that using some common sense in EU immigration handling might have been better and that this would be more in line of Trump plans. I dislike Trump being in campaign mode and trying to achieve the power to interpret his own words later on when they are not matter of fact. I dislike to hear him praise his actions when much of the action is only theatrical thunder for his voters. I dislike to hear him claim often with different topics "that there is no one" further along on that particular scale/dimension
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>Look, I feel for these refugees and have my own disappointing explanations for how this all came to pass. Recently I was checking out Cuban history and truly there is a recurring theme in world unrest and hardship. But that's another issue. In 2017 the best result for these immigrants is for the West to go "all in" to settle the migrants' homeland and contribute to a rebuild so these people can go back to meaningful lives. At present, Syria is a political football between superpowers supporting different factions, not cooperating and fiddling as Rome burns. The countries responsible for that do have a moral duty to assist the hardship that results. But surely nobody can blame Trump for the Syrian conflict, Obama was the one in charge when this debacle ensued and Trump is parachuted into a situation where his first priority is to keep the US safe. If people really want to improve the plight of Syrians, rather than virtue signaling, protesting and advocating mass immigration as if the conflict never can be resolved, they need to swing in behind their President and show support for a resolution closer to home RIGHT NOW. IMHO. Yes, that will require cooperation with the Russians which is why relaxation of the sanctions imposed by a previous administration in its last days, with the imposers surprised/disappointed when the Russians didn't retaliate in kind, might not be such a crime worthy of driving Flynn to resign. I suppose we will find out in due course.

Nolo contendere: Possibly true/connected, but not to point raised ;-)
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