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23/02/2017 14:06:28
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
 
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>>I don't see myself as a detractor and based on the following excerpt (which fits in with the thing I watched) I applaud every ridicule Trump gets FOR THAT STATEMENT.

OK, rather than just a blanket "boo, hiss" can you identify specifically what part of the full statement is worthy of ridicule?

"Here's the bottom line. We've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening. We've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We've allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we're going to keep our country safe."

Please- what *exactly* is worthy of ridicule according to you? He hasn't even mentioned the Swedish gang rape live streamed on Facebook, fwiw.

>>I do not want to enter an operational discussion on Trump "lying", "embellishing", "still campaigning/gathering votes" or "fitting the speech to the audience": If you allow Trump to retract wrong/stupid statements when challenged, his tactics have won, as any unchallenged statement bolstered beyond truth is accepted

Yes, but "doubling down" on your dislike for a comment, does not make it wrong. Why is it wrong? Are you saying that Germany is delighted with the immigration it encouraged/decreed for all of Europe (because of open borders) and experiences nothing of note? Because that's not what polls of your fellow Europeans seem to be indicating.

http://www.voanews.com/a/poll-shows-europeans-favor-halt-immigration-mainly-muslim-countries/3718337.html

Look, I feel for these refugees and have my own disappointing explanations for how this all came to pass. Recently I was checking out Cuban history and truly there is a recurring theme in world unrest and hardship. But that's another issue. In 2017 the best result for these immigrants is for the West to go "all in" to settle the migrants' homeland and contribute to a rebuild so these people can go back to meaningful lives. At present, Syria is a political football between superpowers supporting different factions, not cooperating and fiddling as Rome burns. The countries responsible for that do have a moral duty to assist the hardship that results. But surely nobody can blame Trump for the Syrian conflict, Obama was the one in charge when this debacle ensued and Trump is parachuted into a situation where his first priority is to keep the US safe. If people really want to improve the plight of Syrians, rather than virtue signaling, protesting and advocating mass immigration as if the conflict never can be resolved, they need to swing in behind their President and show support for a resolution closer to home RIGHT NOW. IMHO. Yes, that will require cooperation with the Russians which is why relaxation of the sanctions imposed by a previous administration in its last days, with the imposers surprised/disappointed when the Russians didn't retaliate in kind, might not be such a crime worthy of driving Flynn to resign. I suppose we will find out in due course.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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