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31/05/2017 15:49:33
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., Nouvelle Zélande
 
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>> just in general if you think all of these Trump teams' ties to Russian interests or for that matter Trump's ties to Russia is actually a real thing or it's fake news?

He's allowed to have ties to Russia. As are you. As is the Clinton Foundation that received hundreds of millions from Russians. Just chanting "Russia" does not make somebody a crook.

Here's the problem: behind all the conspiracy theories and unnamed "sources," what crime is Trump supposed to have committed exactly? What statute?

Investigations into "Russia" have been going for at least 8 months without anybody even being able to name a statute he's credibly supposed to have broken.

Nobody is saying they believe everything coming out of Trump's mouth which is your own exaggerated straw man- but it's the responsibility of the accuser to justify their stance. "Innocent until proven guilty" isn't just a Western conceit, it's enshrined in Islamic law and in Russia. I challenge you to name the police state that follows your position that once the accusation is made, it's true unless the target can disprove it (which he can't because he's a pathological liar.)

IMHO chanting "pathological liar! Russia!" isn't a proof, it's an attempt to provoke/justify a lynching.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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