>Hi Agnes,
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>(sat evening...)
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>>>Does not work with Rick. Whenever cited that his legal views are irrelevant, he will shortly proclaim only to care about US citizens and then again try to usurp global position via giving his (US? don't think so...) rules unassailable/god-given status.
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>>>I think ignoring the troll is second best to having him excluded from this watering hole, as the actions went from pure trolling to endangering financial status of a member probably more beneficial to "vfp users at large" than him.
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>>I do not think he is a troll. Tunnel vision and a disabillity to follow an argument other then a very limited view of this world, yes. He answers within his limitations, not rude. I also do not think he is provoking. It's just his way.
>>For all I remember I had a row with him ages ago. He does as best as he can to block a lot of what he has in mind. I'm sorry that he can not be more open, I think he could do everybody a favor.
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>I try to concentrate on clearly visible behaviour (text+actions), not on guesses on underlying mechanisms disabling/preventing "normal" (as I expect it) behaviour. Has added benefit that posts at least cannot be interpreted as ad hominem attacks if I assume&cite such mechanisms.
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>When second-guessing motives I am less restrained. I view "homo sapiens" not as rational, but rationalizing mammal. I also am certain that often self-proclaimed motives are untrue. Occams Razor good enough for me to cast doubt upon such proclamations.
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>>If you like to watch trolling go for heise.de's forum. That's different.
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>Heise and some of former vfp/.Net debates certainly different. But for me there are more forms of trolling.
>Preaching style rhetorics, acknowledging facts if face-slammed into them but then arguing as if said face-slam never happened, invoking absolutes, are among them for me. Never claimed to be an expert in classifying fairy creatures ;-)

Hi Thomas,

https://i.stack.imgur.com/yPomB.png

You see the thin blue layer above the rock? That what we call logical / rational thinking is the same ratio.

The problem with text based communication on that rapid style of internet is that all the assumptions we will do independent from our surface brain can not be eleminated from the equation. We can try to minimize it, but this is not the way humans are working. This thread is a good example - all the rational stuff here comes from our gut feeling that something is wrong. This strong feeling let us keep it alive. Everybody could do a shrug and stop it. Those with the feeling something is wrong. And the one who feels attacked (replace with any better fitting word) need to stand his ground because emotions took over. Rationalization.

Trolling is defined as starting an argument because of the argument, just to provoke the other to a reaction. Possibly to do some additional mockery.
Can't see that here. Rick is that way to the BIOS. And as long as I don't see a crusade I'm quiet. Me and Rick had this years ago.
I can imagine the internal fight he's doing because his belive took over. It's not up to me to judge this.
And since I value his self limitation I will give him some support against to much mockery etc. Not that I'm with him in the problem we all see, that's different.


Schönen dritten Advent.
Agnes die Beste
;)