>>No I mean if one argues that VFP plus something else e.g. PHP or JavaScript or anything then one argues for VFP plus learning other technologies that enhance your project and which is thus learning new dev-tools.

So winDev renders HTML5/Bootstrap/whatever with the UI events etc without your having to write Javascript? If so then that's impressive and definitely how it needs to be IMHO. Though of course the FiC users would say that's why they chose their product too. My POV has been that exciting modern reliance on Rube Goldberg collections of technologies, is antisocial and opposite the usual contribution of technology that includes encapsulation and standardization => reliability. 4GL always was and still is a great development principle IMHO.

>>I know for a fact that we coming from VFP are more productive in WinDev in all respects.

Great. I get that all this typing is dead time - but where are you seeing the increased efficiency?

>> There is nothing we can’t do in WinDev which I could in VFP but there are many things which I can do in WinDev only which you can’t do in VFP only.

Certainly I'd be interested to compare with WinDev for the sort of VFP app that makes extensive use of VFP's local SQL and non-SQL data munging against tables included in the exe. Also would be interested to compare database change management that comes for free (no code) with the VFP RV and CA. IMHO if you're not using features like these then there never was a compelling reason to use VFP, as we discovered in early NET days when certain people who claimed to have moved to something far better, would come back to VFP forums to declare that change management is outdated or that data doesn't need NULLs. Clearly that's not you, which is why I'm interested in your experience.

Interesting discussion, thanks. Maybe we can do a show and tell at the next FoxFest as it would be very interesting to see comparisons of development effort and result. - J