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03/01/2022 10:48:11
 
 
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02/01/2022 18:47:22
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
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>Meanwhile CDC has just published some data suggesting post-Pfizer myocarditis in the 5-11y group might not be as common as in older youths and young men. If so and if the trend holds up, this is very good news that may prompt parents concerned at lack of pediatric data, to take the plunge.

There are 2 not mentioned elephants in the room:
# of vaccinations (including best practice boosters [2..4]) vs. probability of 0..2 infections per year as contra-vaccine influence
Long Covid probability/risk not really available on current data banks as probable pro-vaccine influence

>While you might expect kids' admissions to now follow the pattern seen in adults as jab rates rose, omicron's antibody evasion and highly infectious nature may confound expectations just as we're about to see a new generation of vaccines whose type has many years of safety record and that are likely to remain more effective against mutations. Example: Novavax.

Hmmm, I know that Novavax works via protein which is created by genetic engineering and hailed as "dead vaccine" -
true insofar as own body is not involved in creating the antigen, but is a far cry from "killed virus".
Not going to discuss if a virus can be "alive" - I have read tertiary commentary of similar efficacy stats as mRNA.
IIRC I read at least once that they might need to tune for Omicron.

I have no idea which protein structures Novavax trains the immune system on.
I see no reason to think that escape selection will not work a few months after Novavax is introduced if used often.
Do you have further info ? I distinctly remember reading about Omicron evading true "inactivated virus" vaccines even more than mRNA, IIRC CoronaVac from China used in South America sometimes, Valneva as well. Have not followed up on Russian vaccines as it smelled of politics intertwined - data should be available by now.

>Prediction:as Novavax becomes available, shortcomings of other vax options may start to be more acknowledged, with people now pushed towards Novavax if omicron is virulent enough to justify it. IMHO you'll see a sudden increase in adult rates too as "anti-vaxxers" get the jab.

Prediction: as vaccinated body cell response to create antigen is not needed, amount of antigen is easier to predict/control.

This should be clear benefit. Not enough overlap with anti vaxxers to predict their motives and pressures (excuses?)

>
>... but imagine if it was made amoral to challenge findings like those, and perhaps you'll share my unease at intolerance of dissent wrt C19 vaccines. Science is all about challenge, or else it's actually Cult.

I guess the impasse is caused by something deeper: Current PC thinking has dissolved the bond between rights and (responibilities and/or results).

I see no reason to force vaccination, as vaccination does not inhibit spread to a large degree.
IMO society has to accept the decision of unvaccinated to risk death soon after infection -
if overloaded health system needs to be avoided, couple "non-vaccination" with possible triage in advance.
No need to make decision easy to avoid:
- add analogous hoopla needed for getting an abortion.
- add escrow for hospital cost

but afterwards stay out of the decision, test everybody until you declare it endemic.
(Both elephants remain for ages below 18...)

my 0.22
thomas
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