>Some of you might remember that I posted a note on the discipline of Extreme Programming which broke software development into 4 simple steps:
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>Listen, Write Code, Test, and Refactor....anything else is waste.
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>This discipline is attracting a lot of attention from serious people and stages and metrics are being clearly defined. The guys who started this are some of the leading lights in patterns and anti-patterns work.
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>Check out:
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>http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?ExtremeProcess

Hello John,
your footnote sounds like Ginsberg

Cheers

Pete