>ah - no!
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>just went to try your suggestions and spotted a misunderstanding.
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>you're both dealing with form titlebars - my question relates to the system (or, more specifically, the application) titlebar: the one that says "Microsoft Visual Foxpro" unless you change it by including your own title in the config.fpw file. This is the bar I want to lose

I'm not sure that's possible - why don't you just lose the entire main vfp form? That's easy to do...