>Hi Dan,
>
>Look at sysmetric(3) and sysmetric(4) as well. they tell you the border width of the form. Also 10 and 11 (for non-sizeble borders).
>
>Sysmetric(9) tells you the height windows sets for a window title. I doesn't change if you don't have a title, it's just the default setting for all window titles. I put the following in a button and it lines a form up perfectly next to the button.
>
>x = newobject('form')
>x.titlebar = 0
>x.top = this.top + thisform.top + sysmetric(9) + sysmetric(4)
>x.left = this.left + this.width + thisform.left + sysmetric(3)
>x.show
>
>hth.

If you turn the title bar off will it still work? It would sure be nice if VFP had a HeaderHeight property. Or is that asking to much. < g >