>>>>(whisper - I hate frameworks).
>>>(Whisper back- frameworks are easy to hate if you didn't write them. But this shouldn't deter you from writing and using your own robust framework)
>>(whisper - I don't want to but "have to" use this one for the moment:()
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>Yelling - WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET?! ;-) IAC, I like my framework, and I didn't write it (I never have, I want to write a public domain one soon though that is usable), I got it from a pal.

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I was afraid with that sound of yours, inform before approaching :) Mike if you're a masochist I could advice the one I'm using :) To prevent anti-promotion I just can't spell its name. But I believe any users of it using the same framework easily understand we are on the same boat (sinking:)
Cetin