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>>>the answer is under TOOLS/OPTION/FORM/GRID - uncheck SNAP TO GRID..
>>>This lets me center the width of the letters of the label with the top
>>>line of the CONTAINER/SHAPE...thanks..rob
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>>Have you ever hold Ctrl key when you move controls on Form Designer? I assumed that you know this thing.
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>not yet..

Or better yet, use the cursor keys to finely position objects when the grid won't do. It's a lot easier IMHO.

-Doug-