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>>>>the answer is under TOOLS/OPTION/FORM/GRID - uncheck SNAP TO GRID..
>>>>This lets me center the width of the letters of the label with the top
>>>>line of the CONTAINER/SHAPE...thanks..rob
>>>
>>>Have you ever hold Ctrl key when you move controls on Form Designer? I assumed that you know this thing.
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>>not yet..
>
>Or better yet, use the cursor keys to finely position objects when the grid won't do. It's a lot easier IMHO.
>
>-Doug-

thanks Doug...