Thanks a lot, Cetin. I still don't understand, why your're using 6 and not 8 after re-read Help on Sysmetric couple of times. I guess, they are the same anyway :)

I haven't thought to make it from grid's perspective, not shape itself... :)

Thanks.

Yes, it's hard to make a reply on tagged message :(, though I like how the code looks... :)

>>>Nadya,
>>>Sysmetric works. 5+3*2, 6+4*2
>>>Cetin
>
>Nadya,
>Forget them they are needed under very rare circumstances that I cannot saample for the moment.
>When replying it's almost impossible to follow your code with tags :(
>

*Grid.SizeMyShield custom method
>with this.Parent.Shield
> .Left = this.Left
> .Top = this.Top
> .Height = this.Height - sysmetric(6)
> .Width = this.Width - sysmetric(5)
>endwith

Cetin