>Don't forget Visual ProMatrix? This framework also does a lot for you ( security, audit trails, error management and user-definable reports to mention a few ) and with no impact to the application's speed. I was productive with this tool within two days and I swear by it now :)

Larry. I haven't tried Visual ProMatrix. I would look at it if I get an opportunity, but as you know one gets more and more wedded to a framework. Appreciate your comments.

Alex