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16/10/2001 05:12:40
 
 
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Politics
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Title:
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
00564327
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Alex,

>>First of all, there are records outside of what we call the Bible that also record the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Look at the works of Josephus for example.
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>Corroborated by whom? Can you point to any other case of "resurrection"? Or is it just wishful thinking of the people of the time?

Well, some 500 eyewitnesses. The hundreds who would not deny having seen Christ after His resurrection - even at the point of death. Josephus, a non-believing Jewish historian who cited many eyewitnesses.

As far as other cases of resurrection it kind of all depends on how you define the term. If you define it as "once dead, now alive" I can personally introduce you to thousands of people I have personally known over the last 30 years whose lives have been remarkably altered. There's a little book called "Harvest" I'll be happy to send to you that has stories about some of these guys - several of whom are personal friends and one of whom I worked closely with for 1 1/2 years in the 1973-5 time period.

If you mean actually rising from the dead in a physical sense I suppose we could find some but IMO that's the least important issue.

There are 'evidences' I could personally relate to you but candidly you wouldn't accept them because of your bias.

So, yes, the proof is there.

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>>One of these has to do with the notion that of the 66 books in the Bible there were some 44 authors whose lives covered some 1500 years. The remarkable issue is that there is so much harmony actually among the authors. I've been studying and reading the Bible for some 30 years now and I can attest to this uniformity.
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>Doug. The Bible is full of contradictions! So are the Gospels! (which BTW none of them were written while Jesus lived, but generations later).

Not true. The gospels have been quoted in many letters that day from the period immediately after they were written. Get a copy of Josh McDowell's book for goodness sakes and quit embarrassing yourself.

Think a little about how people observe things and then report them. In the gospels you have just that - four individuals reporting what they saw. What is actually trmarkable is how well they all fit together!


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>Are these contradictions?
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>e.g. Should we kill?
>Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
>I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
>Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."
>

The word 'kill' is murder Alex. There's no injunction against capital punishment and all that flows from it. Read Deuteronomy again and do better studies.

>e.g. Should we tell lies?
>Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
>II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

Hey, if you choose to believe a lie against all proof don't blame God. And remember, it's not God sending the delusions but false prophets. God is essentially saying, "Well, if you want to believe a lie go ahead", so take personal responsibility for knowing by doing your studies.

Do you believe everyone who sends you junk mail Alex? <g> Are you that gullible? <g> I hardly think you are... But why you think people should turn their brains off with respect to issues like this I don't get.


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>e.g. Should we steal?
>Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
>Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."

Yup.. Just wages. Remember, at that time some 400 years had passed and God is fair and paid them. It wasn't stealing as the Egyptians chose to give them the loot.

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>e.g. Should good works be seen?
>Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works."
>Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them . . . that thine alms may be in secret."

Right.. There are stupid and foolish men in this world who wouldn't take a gold brick if you gave it to them. What jesus is saying is once you've determined that they are this way don't waste their time and yours. Makes sense to me.

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>and on and on...

Yawn... <g>

You really are not operating from a position of actual first-hand knowledge it appears. I'd recommend you revisit your sources with less of a pre-determined opinion about what you think the outcome should be.

The Bible has withstood almost 2000 years of hammering like you've just tried to do. It still stands and it always will. It really is a unique book Alex and I'd very much encourage you to keep trying. I am absolutely confident it can withstand anything you can attempt to do. Been there, done that.

Now, if you want resources I'll be happy to provide them but I won't do your digging for you. Has to be something you want to do....
Best,


DD

A man is no fool who gives up that which he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose.
Everything I don't understand must be easy!
The difficulty of any task is measured by the capacity of the agent performing the work.
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