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16/10/2001 22:51:31
 
 
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DD>As far as other cases of resurrection it kind of all depends on how you define the term. If you define it as "once dead, now alive" I can personally introduce you to thousands of people I have personally known over the last 30 years whose lives have been remarkably altered. There's a little book called "Harvest" I'll be happy to send to you that has stories about some of these guys - several of whom are personal friends and one of whom I worked closely with for 1 1/2 years in the 1973-5 time period.

Remarkably altered? What does that have to do with returning from the dead, (whatever remarkably altered means)?

Let's see: Remarkably altered.
- having a sex-change operation
- having your wife find you with another womand and burning your face with a frying pan full of hot oil.
- having a car accident and becoming paraplegic

Are these remarkably altered enough? There's a lot more ways.


DD>If you mean actually rising from the dead in a physical sense I suppose we could find some but IMO that's the least important issue.

Is it? Isn't that "resurrection"? You suppose we can find some? If there were any around don't you think they made front-page news? (I don't mean the National Enquirer were Elvis is seen weekly and he's still alive you know?)


DD>There are 'evidences' I could personally relate to you but candidly you wouldn't accept them because of your bias.
>
>So, yes, the proof is there.


Can any of these 'evidences' be corroborated by any serious, independent scientific proof?



>Think a little about how people observe things and then report them. In the gospels you have just that - four individuals reporting what they saw. What is actually remarkable is how well they all fit together!

Four individuals reporting what they saw? Impartial journalists then? Writing them over 70 years after the death of Jesus (Gospel of Mark starting 70 A.D.)?



AF>>Are these contradictions?
>>
>>e.g. Should we kill?
>>Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
>>I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
>>Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."
>>
>
>The word 'kill' is murder Alex. There's no injunction against capital punishment and all that flows from it. Read Deuteronomy again and do better studies.


"..their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

That is capital punishment to you?



AF>>e.g. Should we tell lies?
>>Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
>>II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

>DD>Hey, if you choose to believe a lie against all proof don't blame God. And remember, it's not God sending the delusions but false prophets. God is essentially saying, "Well, if you want to believe a lie go ahead", so take personal responsibility for knowing by doing your studies.


"against all proof". There you go again with circular reason like Hillmar said. The Bible said it. Proof enough. Period. End of case.
What happenned with the American System of Justice? You kind of 'proof' won't hold up in court. Neither it will pass any half-decent scientific test. It is belief, not proof. Either you believe it or you don't. You can't prove it to anybody else. You are happy with it? Good for you! No problem there.


>DD>Do you believe everyone who sends you junk mail Alex? <g> Are you that gullible? <g> I hardly think you are... But why you think people should turn their brains off with respect to issues like this I don't get.

Barking up the wrong tree. Gullible? I've been a member of the Skeptics Society for years.
Even my wensite reflects that and quotes Steve Allen like so:

"First learn-and then remind yourself every day-that simply because you read something in a book, magazine or newspaper, it does not automatically follow that it is true." -- Steve Allen, "Dumbth"



>DD>You really are not operating from a position of actual first-hand knowledge it appears. I'd recommend you revisit your sources with less of a pre-determined opinion about what you think the outcome should be.

Look who's talking! You must be waaaay older than me then. Say 200 years old or so? I wouldn't know as I don't have your picture on line.


Alex Feldstein, MCP, Microsoft MVP
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