Which is pretty much how all Microsoft products are. I find it funny that you have one group of people complaining about how important tools are missing from, for example, various versions of Windows, yet at the same time you have another group complaining that Microsoft puts too much stuff into the box and leaves no room for third party vendors. So which is it? You can't have both, either the tools are in there or they are not. Something I think the non-settling states and a lot of the anti-Microsoft camp fails to realize.

>I don't know if its a lost cause, but I think it's an uphill battle and the hill is very steep. IMO, VFP shouldn't be a kitchen sink out of the box. In many cases, the third party products are much better than what comes in the box.
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