>> Anyway, I don't judge the product by either Max or Joe's attitudes toward user groups, which I don't share. <<

Maybe they both could use a little charm school <g>. I remember Joe practically going out of his way to alienate other tool vendors. His hypercompetitive attitude might have been at home in the WWF or a Strongest Man contest but it was way out of step in the clubby FoxPro world. Someone asked in this thread why you can't use SDT's data dictionary in ProMatrix instead of the built-in one. It seems like a reasonable question given that most of the major FoxPro third party vendors (Flash, MicroMega, Neon, Rettig, Stonefield, Hentzenwerke, probably a couple others I'm forgetting) were all working together on shared tools, prominently DBCX. I suspect the reason Joe wasn't in the picture was he had p**sed them all off and none of them wanted to work with him.

Mike