>>Also, where is the assertion that God "overlooks" our nation?
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>"One nation, under God" comes to mind. If "under God" does not imply that "God is over us", I suppose it is my knowledge of prepositions that makes it difficult for me to understand religion.
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OK...there is a fair interpretation on your part. Now, how is the pledge counter to the Establishment Clause?


>>Are you saying that none of this was in the framer's intent? I asked Tamar this question. I will throw it to you?
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>Are you saying that the framers intent is relevant here?

It can be relevant. I happen to think the framers did intend an abstract reference to God. The question is, which framers am I referring to?