Jim

Maybe we should just agree that in some ways we are undoubtedly the most fortunate generation of humans in recorded history, but in other (mainly spiritual) ways we are possibly the most bankrupt? Certainly the most selfish- one cannot be as selfish as we are without trememendous wealth. And when I say "we" I do not mean everybody on earth, they'll be starving in Zimbabwe later this year while we decide whether to have the beef or the chicken, neither of which we actually need.

I do think that DD-bashing has been a bit unfair here, it take a brave person to support institutions like religion these days and it's much easier to criticise when you don't have to offer any alternative, but the fact is that churches will outlive all of us no matter how much we rage. And our children or grandchildren will turn back to the principles offered by religion and criticise us for our materialism. Serve us right.

BTW, New Zealand was first to recognise that women have a right to vote. But then we play rugby, so I guess that doesn't count ;-)

Regards

JR