Hi Len,

>>That's certainly all news to me, Len, though I had always feared that something had to be "up" for her to be singled out as being so good.
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>Sorry to break the bad news.

She was human and therefore a qualified sinner. <g>

That doesn't prove that God does not forgive I'd think.<s>

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>>Your last part - admitted selfishness on her part - surely was obvious though in the sense that virtually all people who "do good works" in the name of God do so to gain entry to Heaven. If that's not selfish by definition then I wonder what is?
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>I don't think that it is limited to those "who "do good works" in the name of God". It's a depressing view, but I think the a large number of people who do good, do so to a large degree for their own benefit one way or another - especially those that get it publicised.

True enough. Why, even Jesus Himself said that we should "do our alms (spirital things <g>) not in front of man, to be seen by man", but in front of God, to be seen by Him. Sounds like you agree withJesus on this matter. <bg>

And.. I'm really not that immoderate in my positions Len. <s>