Thanks

I'm definitely only getting it with Fox4Dos tables, my version 6 dbf's are fine.

Kev

>Kevin,
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>there was a similar problem posted in the dFPUG forum with LEFT JOINS which weren't optimized. But there, a VFP6 DBC was used. So this might be an issue with LEFT JOINS in general. Unfortunately I haven't got enough time to do some tests now. Just thought I'll let you know.
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>Armin
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>>Yeah, I've checked out it further using the 3054 sys command, it doesn't optimize the query for fox for dos tables. This is only for outer joins, as you have said, inner joins, or no joins, are fine.
>>Is there no way around this?
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>>>IIRC, there was a problem reported with some slow OUTER JOIN queries in VFP8beta.