Not in this case Sergey, I only have an object reference to the item sort of like this:

Function dosomethihng
lparameters toObj && as collection item
nindex = toObj.whatismyindex()
define bar (whatismyindex) of somemenu prompt toObj.cprompt
return

In other words I only have the Item and not the collection.

>Glenn,
>
>You would use FOR EACH and compare object property(s) to the value(s) you know.
>
>>Ok, I know now how to get an index if one knows the key to a collection item

>>nIdx = oCollection.getkey(cKey)
>>

>>and I now know how to get a key

>>cKey = oCollection.getkey(nIdx)
>>

>>but how do you get either if you know neither? I have an object reference to an item but I do not know the index or key. Any ideas?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Glenn