I'm not sure I understand you but if you don't have access to the collection than you have no way to find out a position of the object in the collection because the object has no "knowledge" that it's in the collection. Maybe you should store 'myindex' in the objects property at the time when you add this object to the collection?
>Not in this case Sergey, I only have an object reference to the item sort of like this:
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>Function dosomethihng
>lparameters toObj
>nindex = toObj.whatismyindex()
>define bar (whatismyindex) of somemenu prompt toObj.cprompt
>return
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>In other words I only have the Item and not the collection.
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--sb--