>Thanks Barbara, I didn't know if I'd made myself clear, but based on your response, you understand exactly what I'm after.
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>To take is a step farther, since everything is keyboard controlled, is there any need to display the buttons at all? The user won't use them and they just take up real estate. Of course, they have to exist or the hot keys won't work, but they could have visible = .f. or be placed 'behind' something, right?
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>Thanks again

Larry, if your users are really going to do 'keyboard only' work, then the buttons are superfluous. However, they'll find that when they're editing/updating that they WILL use the mouse to click on a particular field and then on a Save or Cancel button. Also, not everyone is completely keyboard oriented. The younger people, who learned Windows first, will assume that there are available mouse-links for every action.

HTH