Hi Jay,

>>No, I'm not saying that. However I would say something like this. If there is a certain small group which responsible for a large percentage of crimes. You'll have to take action. One could be that if you arrest one of those people for the second or third time, you're out and will be either send back to your country or be jailed for a long time.

>Yeah, I knew you weren't saying that, but would your 3-strikes rule only be applicable to the group or applied equally to everyone? One is fair, one reeks of a caste system.

What I want to see achieved is what I said above. How this is going be carried out. I don't know. Possibly some laws have to be adjusted. It might be a matter of perspective. If you really focus on a group trouble makers and track them and apply a '3 strike, you're out' policy to them, you're not treating everyone equally either (because you won't focus on everyone). There are instruments helping on this, on first sight unequal system, to support this stance. For example justice could describe such a group as a criminal organisation, which allows different handling of the crimes beeing commited.

>>In e.g. amsterdam we have problems with your from marocco. If you arrest such persons for very serious offenses, you'll have to take action, but at the same time to give a second chance (depending on the seriousness). If the group does not learn and you pick up a member for the second time. Send them back to the country of origin or take them out of normal society (jailing, or any millitary re-education program etc.)

>Are those people being sent back citizens?

??? sorry could you rephrase that one?

Walter,