>As I have said on my previous UT posting, we tried 3 frameworks, (CM, FE, MF - just a code in fairness to the vendors), they are good, but ohhh my…, a serious programmer, not a ‘Layout Artist’, could do even much better.

That really depends on your way of thinking. As a professional contract programmer I wouldn't dream of writing an application framework. One of the prime tenets of OOP is reuse of code and not 'reinventing the wheel'. Why should I waste my time writing a framework when there are very good commercial ones available for me to use instead. Bear in mind that a good framework takes a long time to write. F1 Technologies took 3 years, Les Pinter took 2 years or so to write the one he uses, it's isn't a five minute job and it certainly isn't easy.

You say that you evaluated 3. How long did you take for this evaluation? Why those three and isn't just 3 a bit of a small sample to then be saying that serious programmers could do better than this?

Your implication is that the creators of the frameworks you evaluted are not serious programmers and you are, which is a laughable sentiment since these frameworks were written by probably the most respected programers in the FoxPro world. You also imply that since these three, in your opinion, are not suitable that the rest of the frameworks aren't either. Yet more nonsense.

Mark Austen
[Schooner Software Limited]