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21/11/2004 01:39:27
 
 
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Dragan Nedeljkovich (En ligne)
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Zrenjanin, Serbia
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>Since I have no idea where to start from, and you sound like a proponent of the idea that creationism needs to have equal chances, probably you would be the right person to point me to a place where I can find compelling evidence to convince myself that creationism is a viable theory.

I got most of what I know about creationist theory from reading creationist books that are support by scientific facts about law of nature and science.

one is A Brief History of Time by Dr. Stephen Hawkins. There's another book, I can't remember the title. It was written by J. Schopf.

BTW: just because I'm interested in this topic does not mean I believe in creationism, I'm just trying learn both sides, to be fair.

It's not that the creationist try to prove their theory that interest me. In fact, in my oppinion, they prove very little their theory. But It's that they argue the evolution theory with science that interest me. I too am turned off when I hear "God said so, so it must be true..." goobly-goo.

One argument is the earth's atmosphere at the dawn of evolution. Many evolution scientist believe that at one point, earth's atmosphere was "anoxic", meaning without free oxygen (O2). They believe about 2 billion years ago earth atmosphere was made up of reducing agents such as Nitrogen (N2), Methane (CH4), water vapor (H2O) and ammonia (NH3). Miller/Uray's experiment was base on this assumption because under oxydizing atmosphere, it is almost impossible for bio-molecules to form.

If reducing atmosphere was true back 2 billion years ago, you would expect to find some evidence of that in our geological layers. But you don't. Instead you see abundance of oxydized medals like Magnetite (Fe3O4) and hematite (Fe2O3) in the "Banded iron Formation" (common in Archean and Proterozoic strata). Other oxydized mineral like barite (BaSO4), celestite (SrSO4), anhydrite (CaSO4), and gypsum (CaSO42H2O) are also common at this layer.


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>Since the requirement of repeatability is off the table already (while evolution still shows it's working here and there)

I don't know of anyone who has actually seen evolution happen, espcially in nature.


>,I'd really like to see how would one prove the other scientific requirements... and I really don't think that "you have to believe" has anything to do with science. The whole point of scientific approach is that "you don't have to believe in gravity, it works even if you believe it doesn't".

The mere fact that we're floating away into outer space is proof enough for me about gravity. :)
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