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02/12/2004 17:28:19
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
 
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02/12/2004 16:49:20
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>>There is no indication that any change in mind about belief in God.

So lets not go there.

>>My opinion........The desire to be a good person is not a function of a belief in God. I have the feeling you disagree.

I have the feeling you are about to join the flying trapeze. Both our "feelings" are equally rooted in reality.

>>So it has nothing to do with real desire to be a moral person. It is merely a desire to escape punishment in a later life. Stopping a behavior for fear of the consequences is not the same as stopping because the behavior is wrong.

I can imagine your response if somebody even hinted at such impure motives by an atheist. No matter, you have come up with a reason for a religious person to do it. So we can both see why a religious person might do it. Agreement! Can we also agree that an atheist has no need to fear such punishment. Which seems to lead to an inevitable question... why would they do it?

That is the crux of my point. We seem to be within a cigarette-paper of connecting!

>>It is clear that you are saying that aetheists do not care about morality since there is no reckoning later.

I said I could understand why a religions person might change their mind, not least because of concern about judgement. You agree. An atheist has no such concern. I think you agree. I do not understand why an atheist might change their mind. I cannot tell whether you agree or not because you keep trying to turn the point into a statement that atheists do not care about morality at all. And back we go to square one.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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