>Barbara,
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>The form1.top value has nothing to do with form2.top. I need to find where to set form2.top so it will be positioned where I want it over form1.
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That still doesn't answer my question as to why you're asking about _screen.height. Whether a toolbar is visible or not, I've found that if you set form2's Top property to Form1's Top property-4, they'll line up.