>> #1 -- Yes, when VFP calculates whether a band will fit, it counts
>> EVERYTHING in the band, regardless of any Print When conditions. That
>> includes textboxes and lines.
Nice to know I got something right!

>#2 -- I'm not clear on whether you are trying to get the vertical lines to
>> go all the way down the page .. or just next to the text. One thing you
>> can do is "stretch" vertical lines through bands. For example, if you
>> start a vetical line in page header band and end it in the page footer
>> band, it will always stretch across the page. You can also do the same
>> concept with data groups -- start the line in the data group header and
>> end it in the data group footer. Then it will stretch across all details
>> in the data group.

OK, did NOT know that, that also solves problem of stretched vertical lines when line two of details is conditional (previously I had to do two vertical lines!)

I've tried it and looks like it will work a treat!

Thanks Cathy, I always say the report writer is a lot more powerfull than most developers give it credit for!

Gary.