>You are ignoring the question. Israel pulls out of occupied territory and continues to get attacked. What did the pullout accomplish?

Almost six years of peace on that border.

>>As long as Israel defies the 60 UN resolutions (and Hezbollah defies that one) and doesn't return the occupied territories, the occupied people have the right to resist occupation and receive aid from whoever is willing to give it.
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>We're going in circles. You say Israel should pull out, then the occupied people will stop.

And they'll be a people, not second class citizens on an occupied territory. If they apply terrorism after that, they'll have lost the moral high ground.

> I say Israel already pulled out of Lebanon but the attacks continued. I ask why will it be different in Gaza?

And how is Gaza different now? By becoming a free firing range - Israelis can now be sure there are none of their citizens there, so they're free to shoot as they see fit. A family on the beach was surely a terrorist family. And the people in Gaza should be happy with sealed borders, 50% unemployment etc.

>Israel did begin a pullout of Gaza in 2005. I remember them uprooting the settlers by force. I also remember that Hammas started lobbing mortars from there newly acquired, closer position to Israel.

The distance between any two neighboring countries is always zero, you know.

>Then there was that kidnapping, you know the one before the Hezbollah incursion took away all the attention.

Yes, and there were bombings of Gaza etc etc - each side can claim to be reacting to a previous action of the other side. Israel just has more influence on the media to push their version further and deeper. This goes in circles any number of times you want.

>If Israel goes back to the 1967 borders their enemy will simply consider it another victory on the way to the ultimate goal. The attacks will continue and be more deadly (because they are closer and bolder). "Palestine, from the river to the sea" is the goal.

When you negotiate something, don't you start with some extra requests that are to be discarded in the process? Ask for fifty and be glad with twenty? It's clear to Arabs that Israel will stay; the "push into the sea" is, IMO, just flaming rhetoric, playing to the sentiment of the people. But I think their politicians are willing to trade for peace. And they know that any international support they may have would vanish once they try to grab more than the 1967 borders.