>Lets see your logic. You don't need to say anything constructive and when I chime in to disagree with you I need to be constructive instead of destructive. I can't follow your logic here.

How is your opinion on the amount of scandals in the US and your slurs against Republicans constructive?

>Wrong! WHAT YOU AND I THINK IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT outside of a discussion. It is what the public thinks. Only they can make a difference (election)

That I would agree with.

>Thanks for the list. It just proves the point.

Hardly, since it only takes into account national-level politics.

>Sure, did I say otherwise?? BTW, the abrhramov scandal is big enough IMO. Let alone the doubtfull actions made by your government in regards to Iraq.

We're talking about documented scandals, not your opinions about the war.

>>>Dan, you can choose to stick your head into the sand (as a good republican)
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>>ROFL
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>I'm glad you admitted the point I was making.
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Classic misinterpretation, there, Walter.

>Then don't listen. It is you who bites, you can't blame me: They are my observations and my opinions and last time I looked there was still freedom of speech in both holland and canada, so please don't complain, I reply to your statements that strike me as naive.

You make 'em, I'm going to fight 'em. You think you have some duty to correct us "naive Americans". That's fine, I'm going to keep coming back here to prove that you are wrong, because I think you are arrogant, insulting, and very often wrong.

>If they have no value, why the hell are you making so much effort try to fight me on this issue? Couldn't it be you refuse to buy into it, because your world would fall appart if you relialized much of what I've been saying is the truth. I do understand your position, you simply are not able to admit, it would shatter your (simple) world into pieces.

That's just it - very little of what you say is "truth". You say that word with a capital "T" but in reality there is no such thing as "Truth". I fight you because I enjoy the fight, and you continue to bring your ill-informed slander out into the open.

Personally I would much rather have a reasoned discussion centering around facts and our opinions of them, but since you keep bringing these "truths" into the ring, I'm going to continue to do my Tasmanian Devil impersonation.

>Ah a confession. You realize the mess. That is a first step. Why denying everything that comes as negative to the republican party? Remember I was not the one posting that message, it was one of your own country who by the way seems to fall into the category you outline above.

Again, misinterpretation. I have been a political animal since I can remember, and have read and railed against corruption for more years than I suspect you've been on this planet. As regards Perry's post, it wasn't an issue of Republican vs. Democrat (although he likes to play that card a lot too). It was a worthless piece of campaign rhetoric, having no value as an illustration of Republicans deserting the party - which it seemed to be presented as.

>Challenge? It more seems like outright debunk anything that even smells like liberal. It seems like blind hate.

Wrong again. There's no blind hate on my part, I just think a lot of liberal positions are wrong, and I'm willing to go to the matt about them. For the record, there's a lot of conservative positions that I think are wrong too.

>It indeed is my collection of observations and opinions. But you'll find that a lot in europe. I'm giving you a chance to understand how a lot of europeans look against america.

Oh, boy. I'm so honored.

>If that leaves you cold and does not interest you. Fine, just ignore my messages. You really don't have to read them, you don't have to reply.

See my post above about "truths" again. It's all fine and good if you want to tell people how you think (which may or may not be representative of Europe), but you are one European amongst millions. Yet you position your observations and opinions as fact, as being in the majority, as unassailable "truths" that us poor, ignorant Americans should just accept. Well, carp. I dont' buy it.

Try leaving the slurs and attacks at the door, and maybe we can have a civil debate occasionally. God forbid, we might even learn something from each other.