>OMG your're kidding right? You're argument is now that schools have little to do with educating someone?
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>I know lots of people with college degrees and 8th grade educations.
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>Then I'd say they went to a really crappy college - which either was not accredited or shouldn't be if it is.
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>You just don't get it do you? The quality of the institution has less to do with how well educated a student becomes that the student's willingness and ability to apply himself and be indoctrinated - er- I mean absorb what he is taught. Do you think that someone who graduates from Harvard with all D's is as well educated as some who graduates from Kent State with straight A's?

I think when someone that graduates from college with an 8th grade reading level there is a problem with the college. If someone is that far behind then it's the fault of the college for passing them.

>I was a shop teacher for a few years back in a previous life. And I can tell you from personal experience that, in many cases, it does not matter how good the school is or how good the teacher is. Ever hear the old adage "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"? A teacher can teach, but it is up to the student to learn.

It's also up to the teacher to teach & not pass students who can't even read. Sure the students need to study and learn - but if they don't then the teachers shouldn't pass them - like your college grad friend with an 8th grade reading level. Furthermore, if you're in a school in the getto with limited resources and distractions all around you the quality of education isn't going to be as good as an Ivy League school. Sure it's not supposed to be that way but it is. I take a look at my girlfriends 14 year old daughters school books (private school) and her friends 14 year old school books (public school that is ify). There is NO WAY you're going to convince me that both are getting the same education and one is not superior to the other. One is well over a year behind already!! So now you think it's the students fault? Ya riiiight. And as for your old adage - the guy pushing the horse needs a drink of water every now & then too.

>What you say is also very insulting to people who educate themselves. But, then, again, this is the typical elitest attitude that most liberals appear to have.

That's not what I was saying at all. I was saying that some schools offer better education that others. Of course people can educate themselves - but that doesn't change the fact that some schools are better than others.

>I didn't think I was being shallow??? Harvard > University of Idaho. Leader of Harvard Legal Review > B.S. degree in journalism. I don't consider that shallow - just a fact.
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>Well, I consider it shallow and elitest.

hmmmm...we'll have to disagree I guess. Not sure how you determined that B.S. degree from University of Idaho is just as good as a law degree from Harvard.