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>>Putting someone in the lost cause voter category - well, about all I can say is that pretty much sums up the HRC attitude, and is part of the reason why HRC lost. Enough people were tired of her attitude.
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>As I said, I've pulled the R lever twice during my life.
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>The first time I pulled it for Ike when he ran against Stevenson the second the time.
>I was in college then and the reaction from my D friends on the campus - who had convinced themselves that Adlai, the darling of the intellectual left, couldn't lose - was even more heated than Victor's response here.
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>I'm certainly not comparing Trump to Ike - they're not even from the same planet - but on the other hand when I compare HRC to someone as classy as Adlai Stevenson- who against anyone but Ike would have had my enthusiastic support- I'm reminded again of how far both parties have veered off course.
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>Responses like Victor's are common. My dear friend Mike still can't accept the fact that people could be so stupid as to elect Obama twice.
>It took me almost a year to accept the fact that Bush had been re-elected.
>If Victor is as smart as I think he is, he'll eventually start looking at why so many people disagreed with him.
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>That works.
>Back in 1960, after losing badly twice to Ike, the party got its act together and nominated JFK.
>Now - well, let's just say that was a great moment for me and my fellow D's.

I was too young to vote in Florida in 1960 ( but not in Georgia) but I was a mild Nixon supporter mainly because of Ike. Ike was CIC when I was sworn into the Army and Clinton was CIC when I did my last active duty. My roommate in 1960 was a 100% JFK supporter and might have convinced me to vote for JFK if I had been old enough. I believe JFK would have been one of the great presidents if he had lived - he had a vision for the future of this country. To me he would have been a right of center republican in today's environment. On the 1960 election, JFK won by about 100 K votes out of 68 million but I'm sure you can remember the fraud charges even J. E. Hoover referring the FBI case to the AG - Robert Kennedy where it died. What most people don't remember is that the courts stopped many the recounts just like they did with Gore/Bush. The only state to have it's original electoral college vote count changed was HI from JFK to Nixon.
The biggest problem with JFK and Nixon relate to the same principle - abandonment of promises made to friends - JFK to Cubans in the Bay of Pigs and Nixon to Vietnamese if DRV invaded RVN.
Since we are probably the 2 oldest people on this site I would be interested in how and why you would rate the presidents in your lifetime.