>>Also, what is a pure DBMS language. How is it that VB is not a langauage you can write database apps with.
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>So can I within C++. But this doesn't make it a DBMS language. Don't play dumbo's here, please..
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Your response does nothing to address what makes a pure DBMS langauge... Also, lets not get personal....


>>There are a lot of business apps written in VB. And, I would be hard pressed to think of a business app that did not deal with data.
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>Data comes in many different forms, not neccesarely from a DBMS.
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OK... what other forms do business store data in, besides an RDBMS???


>To my limited knowledge, VB has no native Data Manipulation Language. It would be odd if a product was called a DBMS if it has not a native DML.
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Fact is, you can manipuate data in VB. There are string functions like VFP. I trust you are not limiting the DML to just what you can do with VFP cursors????



>Note that this message was send to a dutch guy, so I don't consider the situation in the rest of the world here. Even you can't, I know that FP 2.x and even VFP is used in the third world countries. Their limited hardware is often unable to run under Windows. B.T.W. I got this information from one employee of the World Health Organisation.
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My arguments tend to be on a global basis.... Drawing conclusions based on what happens in your backyard is a dangerous thing....

>>Also, it is important to note that VBA is not a script language. It has a form's designer. You can take advantage of basic/class modules written in VB or you can write them yourself in VBA. If you want to write ActiveX controls, you don't need the full VB environment. There is the VB ActiveX Control Creation Edition.... Which is free if I am not mistaken....
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>Hmm. Ok, I didn't know this. But note that in the beginning I was talking about IDEs.
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Right.... Walter, I think there is a lot here you don't know... And IDE is not capable of much if it does not have a langauge.. The langauage is really the central part here....


>>Also, you bypassed my points about the VB toolkit for CE. Also, how about the embeddible version of VBA 6.0. Pretty cool stuff there.
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>I cannot judge on this area, i've no experience with CE in whatever way.
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No need to judge. It was an illustration of how pervasive VB is....


>Just a joke, because much of copying and pasting is done in VB where Visual classes are used in VFP.
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Well I'll tell you what Walter, I have seen alot of VFP apps where cut and pasted code was the norm... And I have seen a lot of VB apps where no cutting and pasting occurred.

I suspect you are going more on what you have heard, as opposed to what you have experienced first hand.......