>I'm disapointed in your knowledge if you didn't know this. Given these rules I do think I can say that VB is NOT a DBMS language. Let me give you a hand: "An Introduction to modern database systems" written by Chris Date.
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Walter, I tend to look at these issues from a more practical view point. As somebody who holds a graduate degree in Information Systems, I am all too familar with the ACADEMIC distinctions you are making... You really don't want to debate me here. If you choose to, fine. Do you prefer your crow baked or broiled...

The fact is, you can write database apps just fine in VB. Or perhaps you would like to tell the millions of folks doing so that they cannot do what they are doing......

Lets not try to get hung up on labels here. Then again, you are pureist. You have labeled yourself an OO pureist. Purists tend to be rigid in their thinking.

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>First. There are two forms. Data input and data output. both can be formatted files, like ASCII, Excell files, and addtional hardware. You can easely write all kinds of monitors within VB without using a DBMS, though I don't know if you regard this a business application. Also you can easely write applications wich controls external hardware which don't have anything to do with DBMSs.
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Walter, I can write apps that monitor the COM port and talk to external devices in VFP. What is your point....???? All the forms of data you enumerate above can be handled in VB and VFP.

You are basically attempting to make the point that you cannot write DB apps in VB. That simply is not true...


>You were attacking my comments wich are based on local basis. Your reply doesn't change this. Besides, the world is larger than the US and Europe. What there happens we both can't see clearly.
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I mentioned Asia....


>And you don't know. I thought we agreed to skip the personal part here.

It is not personal, I just don't think you happend to know a lot about the VB side of things....

>This is really not this issue john, I (asuming that Wim was also) was talking about IDEs not the syntax of the language itself. Your reply doesn't change this.
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Walter, it was YOU who made the IDE an issue...


>Well i've alot of both.. What are you telling me john ? We both know that in general because VB lacks visual classes it requires more cut and pasting than VFP (if you want to skip the activeX part).
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Cutting and pasting code is bad. If you had good design, you did not need to resort to it in FPW, and you don't need to resort to it in VB.


>>I suspect you are going more on what you have heard, as opposed to what you have experienced first hand.......
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>Again.. Don't get personal here. I can easely say that i'm beginning to suspect
>that you know less about application development and Relational Database principles that you pretent to.
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Walter, don't take what I am saying personally. It is my conclusion that you are criticizing a product that you are not at all familar with... As for my knowledge of application development and RDBMS thoery go, I have a few books on the market, over 50 published articles, and some big applications under my belt. What do you have????