>>You are also confident that deep down I believe what you believe, and it isn't.
>Not at all.

Didn't you say "Now, if they really do not believe this why do they react they way they do rather than just let it pass?? Simple.. They know 'deep down' it's true." So which one is it?

>that's something you'll need to learn how to do I guess.

I'll put that on my list...

>I'm not asking you to 'tie yourself' to anything Mike. I'm just interested in finding out if you realize that in spite of your loud protests to the contrary to do indeed have a set of core beliefs.

I have no spiritul beliefs. If you don't accept that I'm not going to continue this thread. Call it a win if you want, but the fact that you keep telling me I do is pathetic.

>That's two separate issues I'd think..

I think so too.

>Well, maybe it's because I see no reason to use words like that whe I converse with others ... For me it really boils down to respect for my listener. I'd be very embarrassed to inadvertantly offend someone. Perhaps that's the difference..


I asked for a logical reason. If respect is the reason, why would anyone be logically offended?

>Well, belief is only a strong word if it's defined strongly.

A belief is something you believe in. Whats wrong with only having an idea or a guess?

>Even the Nihilist believes in nothing as though it were something. <g>

But I don't believe in nothing. I don't belief in not having beliefs, I just don't have them at the moment. Which I've said.

>Ahh.. Interesting.. Am I correctly understanding you that you would like to change them but that you somehow feel 'helpless' to so do?

Not change them, SHOW them the part of the world or life that they have blocked out because they so strongly believe in something else.

>No, but that wasn't the point Mike. The point was that I had gone through the process - something you're really fighting here it seems. <g>

Not anymore.

>Your call. Not a wise one but I respect your right to make it.

Who cares, if I change my mind I change my mind since I don't have deep beliefs about it.